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i' curious how everyone came up with these unique alias names.
my partner gave me mine because my favorite meat is ham.. hambeak
Mine is a geographical pointer (within 40 km, anyway).
There is also a large measure of sarcasm in it:
- While there is a locality known as "Turiwhate", it would need a finely detailed map (inch to the mile scale) to find it.
- With just four houses spread along 5 kilometres of the main highway, the place certainly does not have a Town Council - let alone a mayor!
i enjoyed this article about how the state of israel came to be and the history behind some of the present day conflict.. full article here:.
http://www.zmag.org/shalom-meqa.htm.
teaser below:background to the israel-palestine crisisby stephen r. shalom.
For an official catalogue of Jewish acts of terrorism 1944 - 1948, an interesting read is found on the website www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html
This is a report that was prepared for the then newly-appointed UN Commissioner to Palestine, Ralphe Bunche, in October 1948.
He had a direct interest in this matter - his immediate predecessor had been assassinated by Jewish terrorists on 17 September that same year!
Incidentally, monitoring of all Arab radio broadcasts during that time (1947 - 1948) recorded not one instance in which Arab leaders advised their people to flee. On the contrary, Arab leaders encouraged their people to remain where they were.
The flight of Palestine's Arab population followed after an incident that occurred in April, 1948.
Between the ninth and eleventh of April, Arab civilians ( mostly old people, women and children ) in the village of Deir Yassim were murdered by members of the Jewish terrorist organisation, Irgun.
Both sides subsequently inflated the casualty figures. It was said at the time - and believed for decades afterwards - that 254 people were killed. It is now accepted that the actual figure is between 100 and 120 people:
- The Arabs at the time inflated the figures in order to feed hatred against the Jews.
-The Jews deliberately inflated the casualty count in order to frighten the Arabs into fleeing the country. The likes of Manechim Begin (Irgun leader then, and later Israel's Prime Minister) publicly warned the Arabs to expect more Deir Yassims, if they didn't bolt for it now.
Most Arabs may well have fled without every catching sight of an "Israeli" soldier :
- In response to Deir Yassim, they made sure that they got out of the place before they did!
Palestine's Arabs fled the country in response to Jewish terror propaganda, rather than in response to orders from their own leaders. (They say that actions speak louder than words. Deir Yassim left a pretty clear message as to how much the Jews wanted the Arabs to remain!)
It could perhaps be argued which side has the "legal" claim to the land - but even that seems a bit murky.
Neither side, though, should attempt to take the Moral High Ground in this dispute - as neither side has any claim to that!
i enjoyed this article about how the state of israel came to be and the history behind some of the present day conflict.. full article here:.
http://www.zmag.org/shalom-meqa.htm.
teaser below:background to the israel-palestine crisisby stephen r. shalom.
An interesting comment is made in the website listed by Megadude - i.e "Background to the Israel - Palestine Crisis" by Stephen R. Shalom
Under the heading "How can terrorists be given a state?", he makes a good point:
"If peope whose independence movements use terrorism are not entitled to a state, then many current-day states would be illegitimate, not the least of them being Israel." (Italics added).
Ironically, the origins of the Israeli Defence Force were as a terrorist organisation - both against the British Administration and against the Arab population.
(One such instance out of very many was the blowing up of the King David Hotel, which housed the British Administration. Explosives were packed into milk churns, and hidden amongst the morning's milk delivery. That was always off-loaded into the hotel's basement - the ideal place from which to demolish the building.It worked ! The entire British Administration was taken out in one go).
Ironic - when it is used against you, it is called terrorism - but when you did it yourself, you were "fighting for freedom." (This applies in all such conflicts - not just the Arab / Israeli one).
Has there ever been a conflict in which one side is totally squeaky clean?
Incidentally, there is an interesting discussion of this issue from an alternative Jewish viewpoint on the website www.cactus48.com
in the golden age goodies thread leolaia has posted two letters that were printed in the magazine written by rutherford, one in 1928 and the other in 1938. in both letters rutherford states either that radio "was created by god" or "no man invented radio".. rutherford also goes into his conspiratorial ideas of how the roman catholic church was working with the nazis to overthrow the governments of england and of the usa to bring in a totalitarian fascist government to both countries.. these remarks sound like the ravings of someone who is not mentally all there.. so the question that naturally arises is this: was rutherford mentally ill?.
i believe that he was.. --vm44
Stephanus,
Although your remarks were totally off the subject (i.e. Was Rutherford all there or not?) - good to hear them anyway:
- a refreshing change from those on this board who lambast those that dare critisise the environmental laws (like government can do no wrong)!
In answer to your question, no one around Turiwhate will ever get fined for felling a tree. Greenies, though, had better duck for cover -along the lines of "better be able to cross the paddock in nine seconds, because the bull can manage it in ten."
The Mayor.
in the golden age goodies thread leolaia has posted two letters that were printed in the magazine written by rutherford, one in 1928 and the other in 1938. in both letters rutherford states either that radio "was created by god" or "no man invented radio".. rutherford also goes into his conspiratorial ideas of how the roman catholic church was working with the nazis to overthrow the governments of england and of the usa to bring in a totalitarian fascist government to both countries.. these remarks sound like the ravings of someone who is not mentally all there.. so the question that naturally arises is this: was rutherford mentally ill?.
i believe that he was.. --vm44
He may not necessarily have been mentally ill.
J.F. Rutherford was an alcoholic, and could well have been under the influence - rather than mentally ill - when he made a lot of his utterances .
I would agree with you that something definitely wasn't right much of the time:
- going by what he said and wrote!
The Mayor.
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i cant help but think of the analogy of pendulum swings when i think about how vitriolic some are towards religion (of any description), the bible (and other scripture), and christianity (generally, regardless of there being a wide range of denominational flavours) in particular.. it seems to me, from my perspective of sitting here on a remote scottish island, that there are a fair number of folks who may have left an intolerant and generalising religion but forgot to leave those attitudes with it.. just my 2p, coz to be frank i'm getting sick of it.. by all means enjoy some self-expression, it's a relatively free planet, but have a heart....
There were numerous JWs that I knew who were actually attracted to "the truth" because they were disgusted with religion. These ones did think they saw in the JWs something that was "different". (Of course the dubs are different, all-right ; just not in the way many would have imagined!) Involvement with the borg is hardly going to endear a person to religion, if they were already disgusted with it. How much of the hard core anti-religious sentiment expressed on this discussion board has its origins in such previously held feelings? Whatever,all of us whoview this discussion board must expect to hear points of view expressed that we may not agree with. That's life! My own feelings on the matter are: - too many people died in two World Wars to secure such rights as Freedom of Worship. Given that,I would not want to interfere with any such hard-won right. The Mayor.
it just breaks my heart when i read some of the posts on this websites and hear all of the horror stories about people and families suffering because of what the church or religion did to them.
not just jw's or mormons, but catholics, born-agains are also included in this group.
i bet you could find just as many disgruntle ex-catholics and ex-born-agains out in the world who have been severly hurt by their church.
JWD is a forum where all points of view are expressed. (Long may it stay that way, too! We had enough of censorship / gagging while we were in the borg.)
Given that, a person can expect to hear a full range of opinions:
- From those you agree with, to those that are 180 degrees apart from that. (Even hear others challenge things that you might have determined were solid facts).
If there is even only one such thing as a fact, it would have to be this:
- no matter what your point of view is on a given matter, for whatever reasons - not everyone is going to agree with it.
That is life (for better or far worse) - and anyone viewing this discussion board had better be prepared for this.
the way i see it, pretty much everyone here knows that the 5 weekly meetings, the memorial, the dc's and ca's are all a bunch of rubbish and jibber jabber.
there is still one other meeting, not as frequently held as the others, that jw's use very effectively to control existing members and bring in new converts and this meeting sadly plays apon the emotions of all in attendance.. what meeting is this?.
a kh funeral!!!.
Both Funerals and Weddings are seen by the JWs as a way of getting non-JWs "into the Kingdom Hall"
- as if that is going to somehow make a tremendous difference in their perception of things!
Certainly in the case of weddings and funerals in my family, this idea backfired beautifully everytime:
- before I actually started studying becoming indoctrinated by the dubs, I can recall a family member's comments after having attended a Witless Wedding. She was very impressed all-right - utterly disgusted by the amount of boozing that she saw going on at the reception.
- at my own wedding, I don't every recall anyone coming away that impressed "with how the Witnesses do things" - to quote one of the elders who gave a speech there.
- the last funeral that I attended was for my own son. They did at least allow me into the Kingdom Hall, but I was not exactly welcome, to put things diplomatically! Also, afterwards, at a gathering at the family home, I was practically chucked out. Needless to say, that went down like a lead balloon with all non-JWs who were present!
The dubs have this idea that they are different from all other religions. IF they are different at all, it would be because they are a little more fanatical than most when it comes to putting the boot in.
having been in a few congregations, i have observed that those with nothing to prove are often the most genuine people.
that is, brothers who aren't apointed seem to have more to say and are more interesting to talk to.. those who have position seem to have little to say other than repeat wt mantra.. with regular publishers, particualrly those who didn't reach out, i often found that they were just themselves, with no pretences.. is this something you have noticed?.
my friend asked me last week, do weal publishers attract weak publishers?
Those that are "reaching out" seldom have time to be considerate. After all, time taken up with such activities as showing consideration to others cannot ( should not?) be entered onto a person's Monthly Field Service Report!
For those that are "reaching out", there is seldom much time or energy left over from working at:
(i) Accumulating an impressive total in the "Hours" Column.
And / or (ii) Otherwise trying to impress the elders and / or the Circuit Overseer.
- Definitely little left over for anyone who cannot further ones quest for position.
When I was a young fella, such types were known as "Posers" - and yeah, they never did come over as exactly genuine!
i have been trying reading crisis of conscience and i found a very interesting point that i thought i would share with you.
on page 234 of the book it is talking about the after effects of 1925 coming and going with the failed prediction that the faithful men of old would be resurected that year and they would be princes of the earth.
of course in the watchtowers famous "way" they put all the blame on the readers instead of on those who wrote the material.
It would seem that the WT never expresses opinions - until after it all turns to custard.
Then - and only then - it suddenly was "merely an opinion"; and the R&F were at fault for reading more into it than was meant!
I believe that this is called "CYA" - which means "Covering Your Backside."
It reminds me of what I have read about the Dervishes of the 19th Century Sudan:
- Their leader, The Mahdi, assured them that "their faith would render them bulletproof".
- However, if they did get themselves shot, it was all their fault - and theirs alone - for not having sufficient faith!
(I bet he stood well back from the front line once the battle started!)
Does anyone else here get the feeling that ALL of them are like the religious leaders of Christ's time i.e. making burdens for others that they are not prepared to carry themselves?
